Tuesday, October 10, 2006

Special Analysis:
Enter the Dragons

North Korean nuclear testThe picture at left is a screen capture from a Korea Central News Agency broadcast of North Korea's first test of a nuclear weapon, conducted on Monday morning, October 9, 2006, local Korean time. The nuclear device is reported to have been detonated in an abandoned coal mine in the North Hamgyong province. The picture allegedly displaying the explosion appears to show the typical ground-level uplift characteristic of a massive underground ordnance detonation.

Surprisingly, however, despite multiple reports of seismic detectors recording the event, estimates of the yield of the device vary strikingly, with The Independent reporting a 15 kiloton yield—approximately on the order of the atomic bomb used by the United States on the Japanese city of Hiroshima in 1945—while other news sources, including the Los Angeles Times, are reporting that at least some U.S. officials claim the yield was "less than one kiloton." The Los Angeles Times expands on this U.S. claim by noting that the nuke might have "...failed to achieve its full explosive potential." At less than a kiloton, it is actually within the realm of possibility that conventional explosives were used to simulate a nuclear blast.

A device yielding 15 kilotons is well appreciated for its ability to lay waste to an entire city, so a nuclear weapons capability even of such modest power by modern standards is nonetheless a clear indication that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea has, indeed, become a full-fledged nuclear state capable of inflicting extraordinary damage on a military target.

If, however, the explosion was less than a kiloton, a number of possible scenarios emerge. First, it is possible that U.S. officials are deliberately underreporting the yield in an effort to calm domestic and international fears about and reaction to the test. On the other hand, if the device was a nuke and didn't achieve full potential, it would indicate that the North Koreans have not yet perfected the high technology of the triggering and aiming mechanisms that bring the fissile material inside the device into the compaction state required to create the critical mass that causes the material to become a fuel-exhausting, destructive nuclear explosion.

Even if the North Korean nuclear test came off without a hitch, few would dispute the objective evidence that Pyongyang is months if not years from becoming a genuine regional threat. Although it could right now deliver a nuke (if it really has any) by traditional aircraft, a bomber—even if it were to appear as a civilian aircraft—coming from North Korea would be confronted and turned back or shot down were it to come anywhere near a target in South Korea, Japan, or the United States. And as far as using ballistic missiles, although the North Koreans have intermediate-range missiles they have tested successfully, their sole test of an intercontinental ballistic missile, the Taepodong II—possibly a variation on the Iranian Shahab 3 or a straight upgrade from Nodong and Scud technology used in the Taepodong I—was a failure, having exploded either unintentionally or by ground directive about 40 seconds into its maiden test flight.

But even if North Korea were to suddenly have long-range ballistic delivery vehicles in its arsenal, the nation's nuclear research and development community must still make it through a long, expensive, and technologically challenging set of hurdles with miniaturizing the nukes so they can be fitted in warheads atop missiles. Beyond the miniaturization still await the complications of remote arming, accurate vehicle targeting, and hardening to countermeasures ranging from missile command signal jamming on through to mid-air interception by the latest generation of anti-ballistic missiles the United States is deploying. (Whether or not the U.S. ABMs are effective is another matter entirely, but their existence serves as a factor in the attack calculus of what a missile would need in order to survive to target.)

Reports vary somewhat on the size of the North Korean nuclear arsenal: a lower bound might be six to eight, and an upper bound might be twelve; but the size and the very existence of the North Korean arsenal is at this point irrelevant to the important events that will occur in the region over the coming several years. Japan is more than capable of going nuclear in a matter of months, and its legendary industrial expertise combined with its already-existing rocketry program ensures that, long before North Korea can become a regional menace, Japan could become a significant threat to the government of Kim Jong Il in North Korea.

Mainland China, once the principal benefactor of Pyongyang and its chief protector against the worst of international sanctions that would otherwise have already been imposed on the DPRK, is now not only making starkly harsh, public statements about North Korea, but is also engaging in an almost disturbingly warm dialogue with Japan, this latter turn at least possibly in part the result of the stepping down of Japan's long-time prime minister, Junichiro Koizumi, who had a bad habit of repeatedly souring Chinese-Japanese relations, particularly with his official visits to shrines honoring the Japanese Imperial Army troops of World War II, whom the Chinese to this day consider nothing less than the very worst of all possible war criminals. Even though Koizumi's successor, Shinzo Abe, is a protégé of the former prime minister, and even though Abe openly supports a more robust Japanese military posture, he has managed (with some help from North Korea's petulance) to get started on the right foot with the leadership in Beijing, with the two sides forging an alliance that could conceivably result in China allowing Japan to play the role of hitman-in-waiting to remind North Korea that its ambitions for regional influence will not go unchecked.

North Korea's alleged nuclear test, in and of itself, is not nearly as important as a military achievement for Pyongyang as it is as a signal event in the shifting military dynamics and diplomcatic relationships matrix on the western side of the Pacific Rim. Although the United States can be a force in economic retribution against North Korea, its ability to impose a swift military solution is virtually non-existent, although the possibility always exists, given the current leadership in Washington, that the Pentagon might be ordered to try a military option. Absent a complete loss of connection to proper assessment of probable outcomes, the U.S. will not use military force either to destroy North Korea's nuclear facilities or to kill its leader. This is due only in part to the fact that American military forces are already stretched to their limit in the twin theatres of Afghanistan and Iraq. North Korea does not need to have or use nuclear weapons to be extraordinarily dangerous: not only does it have a huge standing army, but it also has tens of thousands of short-range rocket launchers that could within a matter of minutes begin what would be an almost incalculably destructive hail of hundreds of thousands of rockets onto South Korea. Within a day, such a siege would do at least as much damage as a concerted air force bombardment campaign; and given the dispersal of the launchers, it would be impossible to neutralize more than a fraction of the launchers before the collective effect of so many rockets had exacted a crippling toll on the economic vitality and physical infrastructure of the South.

That the United States does not have a viable military option is good news to the extent that, first, such an approach to dealing with Pyongyang would likely be counterproductive in the extreme and, second, such an effort would press the U.S. military to its breaking point. On the downside, though, the fact that the United States continues to decline North Korean demands for bilateral talks further circumscribes the range of options in which the United States could be the defining force in taming the ambitions of North Korea's leader.

This, then, leaves South Korea, Japan, and China at least to some extent in the position of finding their own accommodation for each other in their common desire to control Pyongyang. It means a re-militarized Japan, quite possibly to become a nuclear state; it means an already fully militarized South Korea very likely to follow suit and go nuclear within a matter of less than a decade; and it means these two emergent, economically strong Asian nations becoming allied with the 800-pound gorilla of the region, China, which has every incentive to present itself as the far closer, economically growing, and very reliable alternative to Washington, mired as it now is and will be for years to come in wars of its own making on the other side of the world.

In short, the 21st Century will just keep getting more interesting, whether or not the United States is capable of maintaining even the façade of relevance to it.


The Dark Wraith will have more good news as the new century proceeds.

<< 25 Comments Total
 Anonymous blogged...

The Dark Wraith will have more good news as the new century proceeds.

Tue Oct 10, 04:27:14 AM EDT  
 Moody Blue blogged...

In short, the 21st Century will just keep getting more interesting, whether or not the United States is...

...of ANY relevance to it?

Tue Oct 10, 04:44:49 AM EDT  
 BlondeSense Liz blogged...

It would have been so easy to diplomatically deal with N. Korea. They can't produce their own food or energy. They could have said, "Quit the nukes or we'll quit the food." But then again, the US would lose its reason to invade Iran.

So what's the story? Is the US getting ready to invade Iran before the elections or after?

Anymore sex scandals in the news?

Tue Oct 10, 08:57:22 AM EDT  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

Good morning, Liz.

As far as new sex scandals go, the Republicans are having quite a lot of fun with the one they've got on their hands right now. It could get worse, though: the conspiracy theory crowd has some ideas on directions it could take based upon a speculative sequence of events that led up to the current mess. I set forth the outline of this sequence in a comment to a post over at Pam's House blend. The most damning part, if this is in any way close to how things really went down, is the fact that the pages who did the self-styled sting on Foley tried to get federal law enforcement to listen to their story months ago after their attempts to communicate quietly up and down the ranks of the Republicans in Congress (and maybe even the White House) failed to earn them even a cursory response.

Is how I describe it how it really all started to unravel for Foley? I surely don't know; but I do know that, when this story started breaking and some of the apologists were explaining the whole thing away as a "prank" by a group of pages, that self-styled little sting those pages did on Foley was what they were referring to. The next part I'm not at all knowledgeable about is the speculation that the apologists using that line of defense were told in no uncertain terms to shut their pie holes because of where that might lead concerning who knew what when.

And Iran is on the back burner trying to find running room to the goal line; but don't bet that Iran was Target Number 1 for that aircraft carrier battle group that's heading toward the Middle East. The smart money was that Iran wasn't first on the hit parade for a contingency plan, but was instead part of a somewhat larger effort that was in the mix of ideas.

Note, by the way, that I used the word 'ideas' above, and that's because there was no way any new military engagement would be a done deal at this point in time. Right now, everything is too volatile in places too far apart on the globe, and there are a whole lot of military folks who have made no bones about the fact that we simply cannot sustain any further "forward leaning" (to use a Dick Cheney euphemism) foreign policy moves.

The best of our bad outcomes in Iraq is now to oversee a quasi-controlled disintegration of the nation-state, and even that doesn't have a whole lot of sunshine coming out of its rather ugly butt. In Afghanistan, we've already started the propaganda campaign to make it look like we're acknowledging that the Aghan "people" want some political role rehabilitated for the Taliban, a claim that is sheer hogwash on stilts but works to our advantage because we might possibly then be able to cobble together of "unity" government that includes Talibani officials and thereby have a decent excuse to get NATO troops out because we've established a "lasting peace through political settlement."

Bull.

But it works if it's played right. However, count on the Bush Administration to screw up even the simple task of directing a train wreck to the right track.


That's enough of my blather for the morning.


The Dark Wraith needs to get to class to raise Hell about economics principles.

Tue Oct 10, 09:35:00 AM EDT  
 Lily blogged...

Of concern to me is that we often talk about our ability to "shoot down" aircraft should the inevitable need arise, and yet we have demonstrated by allowing inexperienced pilots to hit our very own Pentagon that we might not find comfort in this reassurance.

I understand that one thing this administration actually did do in response to 9/11 was to upgrade the failed NORAD- but still- it sent a message to the world that the supposed greatest military superpower in the world can be penetrated and in fact-pithed- in its cranial nerve. Setting aside the questions and what we get for our budget- what do you think the perception is out there about our ability to shoot down threats? Our arrogance has not served us well because we leave vulnerabilities wide open... for anyone.

Further, you mention a motive to minimize the strength. I'm surprised on one hand that they are not hyping the thread toward yet another wargasm...but I think in this case acknowledging the potential seriousness here only serves to highlight Bush's diplomatic failures.

Tue Oct 10, 12:31:54 PM EDT  
 My Pet Goat blogged...

The picture allegedly displaying the explosion appears to show the typical ground-level uplift characteristic of a massive underground ordnance detonation.

Did you get that from one of those new defloration/deforestation links on your message board?

Tue Oct 10, 01:41:54 PM EDT  
 Lily blogged...

OH? A deforestation link you say?

That would sure help me because I've run out of trees to watch getting bulldozed outside of my window.

On a positive note, the mcmansion that I can reach out and touch from my window helps me hang laundry "West Side Story" style.....

Tue Oct 10, 06:46:49 PM EDT  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

Good evening, Mr. Goat.

Getting a picture from one of those nasty spambot sites would have been a piece of cake compared to getting a screen capture of that detonation. The Korea Central News Agency isn't exactly a highly distributed news service, considering it's little more than a propaganda organ. Unlike Xinhua or Tehran Times, though, it seems to have not a hint of subtext and subtle nuance to send messages to the astute among its viewers. I could be wrong about that, though; my understanding of Korean culture is more limited than I thought now that I've begun to talk at length and in depth with some Koreans.

What bothers me from the emerging picture I have is that the Bush Administration in particular seems to have a constructionist vision of nation-states that is profoundly clashing with how Koreans in general see their situation with regard to the schism between the North and the South. The bad part is that the South Koreans had been pulling away from the United States over the course of this Administration, but Kim Jong Il's bold move seems to have really frightened the South Koreans. The interesting part will be whether, as some analysts believe, this will draw Seoul back toward the U.S. or, as I suspect, it will be the impetus for a warming of relations between the South Koreans and the Mainland Chinese.

Oh, wait a minute.

Ah.



The Dark Wraith will let it go because, otherwise, he'll blow a gasket about what happens when you put a bunch of bumbling, stupid neo-cons into the driver's seat in Washington when the rest of the world is full of much brighter players.

Tue Oct 10, 07:17:02 PM EDT  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

Good evening, Lily.

I had the occasion some time back to comment to a just-retired Air Force pilot on the state of continental air interdiction/intercept readiness.

The fellow nearly ate my backside off. You want to talk about someone with a really sore attitude. I mentioned the fact that we had recently lost in international air combat games, and my Lord, that man went off. You should have heard the litany: it boiled down to an air corps culture that, in his judgment, had "lost its edge" because of a failure from the top down to articulate the essential nature of the mentality. Everything is the machine; everything is the technology; everything is the gee-whiz, we've got the best, most modern, most expensive.

That was his opinion.

I'll tell you, though, that bitching about the brass having its collective head up its butt is as old as military life, itself. That having been said, this guy saw himself as the residue of some old guard that saw the whole place burning down because of ideological wars that had always been there but had never become so completely one-sided that the mission was actually being defined by thought rather than action.

That's about the best I can do at explaining his bitterness.

In a way, Lily, this is an example of why you will see me from time to time describe myself as "conservative": I honestly believe that there have been better ways, older ways--ways that admittedly had deep, disturbing flaws, especially in the way access to the facilities of power were allocated and systematically denied. But when any "new era" dawns, I am highly suspicious of what is being eliminated that made things really effective.

We had one helluva fine domination in air power at one time. Now, our air force spends its time bombing the Hell out of targets that, for the most part, can't fight back. Yes, aircraft in Iraq have to deal with surface-to-air missiles, but you tell me that's even in the same universe as what a United States Air Force pilot would have faced in the Korean War with a swarm of little MiGs pouring all over his fighter or as what a Vietnam War pilot would have faced on a run seeing dozens of "white telephone polls" racing up from below.

Intercept readiness? It scares the Hell out of me.

But at least I can be reasonably assured that we or the South Koreans would be more than capable of shooting down a lumbering North Korean bomber trundling along trying to make it to a desirable bombing target in the South.

We'd be able to do that.

Could we intercept a missile? If it's nothing but a slap-together upgrade with Nodong and Scud C parts, yes, our anti-missile batteries could probably deal with it. Make it a Shahab 4, and I would say, I have no idea.

This brand-spanking new ABM system the U.S. has? After one stinking success at intercepting an in-flight target--in a test that, like all such tests, was rigged at least to some extent to up the odds of successful interception--the Pentagon is pushing countries to deploy the dogs.

Good Heavens.

I say we go back to the drawing board with this mentality:
1) We can do this: build an interceptor that takes out incoming ICBMs and, in later versions, intermediates;
2) yes, we can: we committed ourselves to hitting something the size of a grain of sand at a thousand miles with the lunar program of the 1960s, and we did it... over and over again;
3) defense contractors: you can try, but you're not any better than the Japanese, the Europeans, and a whole bunch of other countries with ambitious defense industries and scads of brilliant scientists and technologists. Whoever gets the job done first and right gets rich; whoever doesn't needs to stop knocking on our door to sell us other crap until they figure out how to make stuff that actually works.
4) Once we get the job done, we deploy the technology not just here, but everywhere that nations agree is a state that is ready to be protected. That means the UN gets involved in certifying that nations qualify to come under the umbrella. That means it's not longer "our" technology, but that of a world that needs to no longer be afraid of its neighbors... or of us.

In other words, we are no less of a threat to the peace than many other states, although there are some states that constitute such messes of internal and external menace that they need to get themselves put together in such a way that the rest of the world doesn't think they should remain vulnerable.

Now, I'm not stupid enough to be blind to the flaws in this plan, and I would be very swift to point out that this is most decidely not a variation on Reagan's "Star Wars" shield concept. I am, however, fully open to honest bitching at me for the problems such a global, collective missile defense would entail; but I would not, without some amazing, drop dead proof, be open to the idea that a highly reliable missile defense system simply cannot be built and then improved, refined, and upgraded as technological advancements and potential counter-measure threats became evident. It's not in my nature to believe that "some things are just impossible" when the collective will, resources, and commitment are brought to bear.

It's just a matter of where priorities lie. Right now, we have a nation to repair: the poverty rate is rising; wages have been stagnant for years; the Constitution is under assault as it has never been in our history; our water and land are polluted by frightful chemicals; our children are being taught to be ignorant; our religious expression has a hateful, vicious, politically active wing; our people are hurting so much that some are lashing out and killing kids in their schools; our leaders are torturing (torturing, for God's sake!) people; and we are in debt up to our eyeballs to the Communist Chinese.

Yeah, the country is a mess, and the last thing we need is one more priority.

Unless, of course, we are the kind of people who become their best when the pressure is at its absolute worst.


The Dark Wraith will leave that assessment to the readers.

Tue Oct 10, 08:11:40 PM EDT  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

Good evening, good readers.

As a side note, I've just posted a poll over at Big Brass Blog: I'm looking for what people think right now about the outcomes of the national elections on November 7.

If you're of a mind to share your opinion on the matter, by all means, go over and vote.


The Dark Wraith obviously encourages people to vote in the real poll on Election Day, also.

Tue Oct 10, 08:51:51 PM EDT  
 Eric A Hopp blogged...

Dark Wraith: You're just the bearer of all sorts of insanely bad news here.

One item you really didn't touch upon was the possibility of South Korea going nuclear. We know that South Korea has declared it will not "manufacture, possess, store, deploy, or use nuclear weapons." And it is a pretty safe bet that South Korea is also under the American nuclear umbrella, just as Japan has been. South Korea also has the technical capability to produce nuclear weapons in a shor time, perhaps a couple of years or so. If North Korea perfects both its missile technology and its nuclear warheads, will the South Koreans believe that the U.S. will continue to support its nuclear umbrella over South Korea--especially if the North Korean missiles will have the capability to hit U.S. target in Alaska? Even worst, what is going to happen when the Korean peninsula suddenly goes "hot" in the next two years with a shooting war starting up on the DMZ, and the North Koreans decide to use their nukes?

Another factor to consider is Iran. North Korea's "successful" nuclear test, and the Bush administration's failure to stop this test, has certainly reinforced Iranian nuclear ambitions. As you've said, the Iranians are certainly Target Number 1 for that aircraft carrier battle group heading for the Middle East. The Iranians know this and they know that one way they can protect their country from a Neocon-Imperialist Bush White House is if they have a nuclear bomb. If the North Koreans were able to build a bomb under the increasing economic pressure and diplomatic pressure of the U.S. and the world, then the Iranians are certainly going to give their best shot at building the bomb.

Tue Oct 10, 11:02:15 PM EDT  
 Eric A Hopp blogged...

Even if the Iranians are about ten years away from building the bomb....

Tue Oct 10, 11:02:48 PM EDT  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

Good evening, Eric, and thank you for offering commentary on this article.

My assessment in the article that "...an already fully militarized South Korea [will] go nuclear within a matter of less than a decade" was most decidely on the conservative side. My understanding is that Seoul has already made a considerable amount of headway in preparing for a nuclear option; and despite some analysts' expectation that the North Korean nuclear test will drive South Korea back toward the United States as its protector, I just don't see that as being the most likely outcome, at least in the long term. South Korea is certainly not going to openly repudiate the U.S. at any point, but neither is South Korea the kind of nation that wishes to remain forever dependent upon our good will. I have many Asian friends who see our policy toward Taiwan as a cautionary tale about the fickleness of U.S. friendship and support. Several of my more vocal Chinese friends also put Hong Kong into the mix, perhaps inappropriately seeing a progressive policy in the West of washing our hands of whomever the Chinese want to swallow whole.

I'm not sure I understand whether these kinds of claims of sentiment are just reactionary rhetoric and how much they are genuine feelings that independent strength is preferable to reliance upon the United States and Europe, but I do see the 21st Century being a time in which the polarization of Asia between countries within and outside the Chinese sphere of influence becomes sharper; and I most definitely see the U.S. of financial necessity withdrawing from its late-20th Century role as guarantor of status quo.

What worries me is the regime that will replace it. A re-militarized Japan has distinct advantages, and we as Americans could benefit greatly from that. Moreover, Japan will have a hard time resisting the temptation of a sustained period of economic stimulus that the addition of a strong military component to its industrial engine would provide.

However, given that I am a man of the 20th Century, one who came of age in the presence of those whose lives were defined by the two World Wars, I shall always have in the back of my mind--despite all the intellectual rationalizations to the contrary--a small voice telling me that a mighty military for Japan, one complete with a nuclear arsenal, is the stuff of a 20th Century man's nightmares.

As wrong as it is to think that way, it plays in the back of my mind.

And if I understand Chinese sentiments on the matter, it's even more of a concern for them.

Burying the past is a good idea, and I understand that. But, Eric, I'll tell you this: it's not such a good idea to bury something that's not quite dead because, when it gets back out of its grave, it's going to be quite a scary thing to behold.


The Dark Wraith will let that particular matter pass, now.

Wed Oct 11, 12:20:37 AM EDT  
 My Pet Goat blogged...

Yeah, the country is a mess, and the last thing we need is one more priority.

The next neocon wet dream New Bush Space Policy Unveiled, Stresses U.S. Freedom of Action

Wed Oct 11, 01:38:11 AM EDT  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

And I smell a neo-con fantasy of militarizing space, Mr. Goat.

That's what I smell.


The Dark Wraith is unaware of any tendency on the part of neo-cons to do anything for the sake of scientific inquiry.

Wed Oct 11, 01:50:36 AM EDT  
 Moody Blue blogged...

Quoth the Dark Wraith: All this talk about the diplomatic malfeasance of the Republicans isn't half as much fun as talking about Republican perverts.

Okay, now that’s kind of funny. I suppose that most people are more interested in sex than world diplomacy. It is also a bit enjoyable to watch some of them try to wriggle out of the hypocrite trap they’ve caught themselves in. And it’s always extra entertaining that once their long time wrongs are found out about that they are suddenly sorry. Yeah, sorry about being caught, that’s all. It’s NOT about anything other than the blatant hypocrisy of one who set himself out as a protector of minors from internet predators when he is himself doing exactly that, and those who knew and covered it up or let it slide.

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Wraith, you comments here are as wise and educational as they are alarming for me.

As far as I am concerned, nuclear weapons are weapons of mass destruction. How much safer the world would be if countries stood down from the very creation of such horror. They would be banned around the globe, IF there was any semblance of a truly civilized world. And how much better off countries would be if the money spent in developing such weapons, and the methods to hope to deter them, was actually spent for the benefit of humanity.

The possibility of exterminating a goodly portion of our species and polluting the planet for generations to come with radioactive fallout is a wholly frightening prospect.

From probably the last greatly respected Republican:

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron. ~Dwight D. Eisenhower, speech, American Society of Newspaper Editors, 16 April 1953

How lovely it would be for a child in the future to ask his mother, “Mommy? What were nuclear weapons?” That’s not going to happen in what’s left of my lifetime. I would wish better for the next generations; but in my heart, I truly fear for them.

Will... the threat of common extermination continue?... Must children receive the arms race from us as a necessary inheritance? ~Pope John Paul II, speech at the UN, 1979

Quoting the Darth Wraith: It's just a matter of where priorities lie.”

Wed Oct 11, 05:04:18 AM EDT  
 Moody Blue blogged...

sheesh...

...your comments

(Oy.)

Wed Oct 11, 06:44:43 PM EDT  
 Anonymous blogged...

How much safer the world would be if countries stood down from the very creation of such horror.

Conceivably, but it might lead to proliferations of horrific, but not quite as lethal, weapons.

Unfortunately while it takes at least two to make peace, it only takes one to make war.

- oddjob


PS: I don't doubt the idea of a militarized Japan bothers the Chinese a lot more than it bothers us. Who has probably fought more brutal wars with the Japanese than any other?

I also expect it would bother the Koreans (of both sides) a lot. Korea is the Orient's Poland.........

Thu Oct 12, 12:07:51 AM EDT  
 Lily blogged...

Dark Wraith- just wanted to pop back over to let you know your comments were appreciated. I was not going to "go there" but since you did:

"And I smell a neo-con fantasy of militarizing space, Mr. Goat." Yup. After they wrestle it from Google.

I don't know about a UN model, I wonder how the dynamics will shift as we see our pet "Outsource Job Fair Attendees" nouveau-riche economies grow...the (self interested) preservation of our market appetite wane, more industry competing for resources...where does that leave a floundering US? Especially if the apocalyptic predictions have legs? Begging to join the EU???? I wonder when the people who own our asses now bring THEIR pressure to bear what will happen. We might have our margin call in the form of Taiwan. We couldn't even address the currency manipulation. Superpower indeed.

If by a retro-conservative you mean nostalgia about a time when Americans wanted to own their infrastructure...and tie their economy to a geography-I'm with you.But the nation has been replaced by the boundless Corp.beholden not to a citizenry but to shareholders.
I think we will go the way of the Romans. Soon. I officially coin the term: consumajunkie bonds.

Remind me not to read Dark Wraith when trying to sleep.

Thu Oct 12, 12:22:13 AM EDT  
 trailertrash blogged...

Quoth the Dark Wraith
In about six years, when the U.S. economy has slid to Third World status and someone tries to explain how the Bush Administration's fiscal recklessness caused it to happen, watch the Republicans scream bloody murder.


That's for sure. They'll still be blaming Clinton!

Thu Oct 12, 01:43:07 AM EDT  
 The Fat Lady Sings blogged...

You are not wrong to question the possible intents of a nuclear Japan. I’ve lived there – and let me tell you – the Japanese look upon the world in much the same way they did nearly a century ago. It’s endemic to their culture. For the past 50 years they have been content to dominate the world economically. Don’t kid yourself that those captains of industry over there did not see themselves as Shoguns – with workers their Samurai. That’s perhaps a tad simplistic – but it’s true nonetheless. As for Japan’s relationship (if any) with either China or Korea – the hatreds blocking that are ancient and deeply held. The Japanese look upon Korea and Koreans especially as being naturally inferior (as are we all). Korea was where Japan went to collect slaves a few centuries back. As for China – the rivalry has existed for millennia. Each claims the other’s culture arose from their own seed. So they may cooperate when the situation warrants – but don’t count on any lasting friendships to develop.

Japan is the wild card when it comes to North Korea. They raised holy hell over the abortive missile tests. I’ve not heard the same levels of hysteria coming out over the nuke – and frankly – that worries me. Used to be the Japanese would consult with the United States before doing anything rash. But Bush is universally disliked over there – and the antipathy extends to his father who lost face when he passed out over a state dinner. Loss of status always extends to the family – and even though Japan’s Prime Minister likes cowboys and has an Elvis obsession – Bush isn’t liked by the general populace. And Koizumi isn’t about to pull a Blair any time soon. No – it’s the Japanese to watch in all of this. They may just decide its time to once again declare their hegemony. If that happens – oh, baby! Kim Jon Il will have a lot more to worry about than Bush. And so will we.

Thu Oct 12, 02:22:21 AM EDT  
 The Minstrel Boy blogged...

Good Morning Dark Wraith: Fat Lady Sings is pretty spot on with her analysis of Japan. They are a very different culture. I got to Japan after having been most every where else in Asia, and since my traveling was done in the late 60's and early 70's memories in those regions were still fresh for the Japanese occupation. Nobody liked them or trusted them. We have done so at our own peril. I used to tell people that Japanese were fine people, but you needed to keep them apart from each other. If they are in a group of more than seven, in about half an hour the talk turns to world domination. They can't help themselves, I think it's a verb construction thing built into their language.

After doing a tour of Japan with Michel LeGrande a trumpet playing friend and I were regaling a couple of Keno runners with stories of our travels. The trumpet man was going on and on about the "wonders of the east" so I led him to the subject of Kobe beef. He went into great guidebook detail about the genetic selection, pampering of the cattle and things they do to ensure fork tender steaks. I let him ramble and then interjected "Yes, and when the time comes for slaughter, they take them down to the Kabuki theatre and bore them to death."

Thu Oct 12, 11:02:21 AM EDT  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

Haw-haw-haw, hee-hee-hee.

Heee-hee.

A-hem.


The Dark Wraith strives to maintain objective appreciation of slow theatre.

Thu Oct 12, 11:29:16 AM EDT  
 SB Gypsy blogged...

Good Afternoon, Dark Wraith


The UN is a toothless old hag. I like your idea of making a deterrant, and then sharing it around the world, but we won't do it, and someone would hack it.

The only alternative I can think of is to get enough of us living out in the asteroid belt that at least the human race - life even - would be preserved if the power mongers blow up this world. They are and have been doing everything they can to prevent that, tho'.

Thu Oct 12, 01:43:03 PM EDT  
 blackdog blogged...

The quality of the comment on this site is truly amazing. I am in your debt. My brother lived in Japan for a few years back in the 70's and I got to meet many of his friends when they came here. I too am a little leary of seeing them remilitarize, but I don't see how now with all of the screwups the neo-cons have made that they will not. The nukular umbrella offered by the usa is not enough, and can you imagine the sheer quality of any Japanese military machine? I bet they could become formidible in two years. And with Abe as PM, with the N Korean debacle, well I might just go get another beer and think about something else.

Regards.

Thu Oct 12, 04:17:38 PM EDT